Three Village Soccer Club, University Clash Over Field Space

Negotiations for an agreement on the use of the Three Village Soccer Park have been ongoing for 11 months.

Just as they have since January, the Three Village Soccer Club and Stony Brook University are still trying to hammer out a deal over the use of the Three Village Soccer Park at the University's South P Lot.

The club's current permit allowing use of the fields – the construction of which was paid for by the club and completed in 1999, and which the club pays to operate and maintain – expires at the end of November.

For the University, it's a matter of quality-of-life for the students who pay tuition and fees. University officials, who recently unveiled a new $40 million dollar indoor recreational facility, have said the students playing on club sports teams and in intramurals are in dire need of space for practices and games.

University spokeswoman Lauren Sheprow said the Three Village Soccer Club currently uses 25.7 acres of state land at Stony Brook. By contrast, she said, the Division I athletic programs use 13.5 acres, while club sports use 6.7 acres. She said the field space began to be a concern when the Three Village Soccer Club began to charge Stony Brook students for use of the fields.

"For all the students who are paying to go to school here and paying fees, they should have access to the facilities on campus," Sheprow said.

Mitch Pally, the president of the soccer club, said the students were initially charged a $65-per-game maintenance fee, which would go towards striping the field and other routine tasks, that the club eventually refunded.

According to a draft of the agreement proposed by the University, the school wants to use Fields 1, 2, 3, and 4 for its students' sports activities, and would convert those four current grass fields into one turf field and two grass fields with inward-facing lights. Sheprow said the lights would extend the period of time each day when the fields can be used, and that the Three Village Soccer Club could use those fields when not in use by Stony Brook students.

But administrators of the Three Village Soccer Club say the University's use of those four fields – there are four more, fields 5 through 8, which would be reserved for the soccer club – would displace many of its teams and activities which have taken place there since the first field was constructed in the late 1980s. In exchange, the University is offering the club space on Stony Brook Road near the intersection of Oxhead Road, which Pally said would need to be renovated into appropriate fields like the ones it created at the South P Lot.

According to Pally, at the heart of the problem are two key issues. The soccer club's administrators want the university to agree to a 15-year revocable permit for its use of the fields, and it wants the University to temporarily suspend the annual permit fee of approximately $60,000 which the club pays each year so that it can build appropriate facilities at the Stony Brook Road property. He said it would cost about $300,000 to build those new facilities, and said the club has already spent more than $1 million over the past three decades to build, maintain, and operate the current soccer park.

"We are trying very, very hard to make this work. We understand the university’s need. I hope they understand our need," Pally said. "All of our money basically comes from the community. ... All we’re asking them to do is make us whole and to give us a permit long enough to allow us to make a long term commitment to this community."

Derek Cope, a student who is president of the University's Sports Club Council, which includes 30 member teams serving more than 1,000 students, said use of the soccer park would enable students to lead healthier lives with the proper facilities for outdoor recreation.

"Just having the ability to have that space is pretty important to students," Cope said. "For the past couple of years, excluding last spring and this fall, we had less than the size of two football fields for all the sports clubs to use."

On any given night, he said, there could be five or six clubs holding practices. Some of those clubs are as large as 70 players, like the rugby team for example, Cope said. And intramural sports on campus, which is a separate entity from the club sports, also uses the same space.

You have different groups "fighting for little pockets of space," he said. "Not only is that inconvenient, but it’s also dangerous. If a lacrosse ball flies into a soccer practice, that’s pretty dangerous."

The university has offered a five-year revocable permit agreement, and Pally said the university initially told the soccer club that the state comptroller's office would not allow a permit for a longer period of time. However, in a letter to State Assemb. Steve Englebright, D-Setauket, New York State's First Deputy Comptroller Peter Grannis said that a 15-year revocable permit could be a possibility based on past precedents. Englebright declined to comment publicly on the soccer field issues.

Sheprow said from the University's standpoint, a five-year revocable permit is reasonable.

"In the past these permits have been one- or two-year renewable permits," she said. "... Five years is quite frankly an extended period of time for a revocable permit of any kind, especially based on the University's history with the Three Village Soccer Club."

Prior to the development of the Three Village Soccer Park, that part of campus was a wooded area and the site of a sump, according to Michael Witower, who served as the club's president for four years during the 1980s.

"Those fields have been made to be among the best natural soccer fields on Long Island," Witower said. "We’ve put so much money into this thing. ... It really doesn’t go down well with the community."

A community meeting about the situation is set for 7:30 p.m. on Monday at W.S. Mount Elementary School in Stony Brook. Parents and club officials have begun circulating petitions, like this one online, to help plead the club's case. Pally said the university has been invited, as well as Englebright and State Sen. John Flanagan, R-East Northport.

Some members of the soccer club's board said they feel the University is not making good on its sentiments of wanting to be a good neighbor in the case of the soccer fields.

"It is not a compromise," said Andrew Sloat, a board member and father of two kids who play soccer in the club. "... It is an unfair offer and we are left trying to raise a large sum of money while we watch the college play on the fields we built."

Sheprow, however, said the university is negotiating in good faith.

"The university is very concerned about the Three Village Soccer Club and maintaining this relationship with the community. There is no desire to see that come to an end," she said. "At the same time, we are here because of the students. The students are the University's first priority. The new revocable permit presented to the Three Village Soccer Club accommodates both."

From the standpoint of the Stony Brook student sports clubs, Cope said they would like to see more collaboration.

"I wouldn’t go as far to say as the sports clubs want a complete takeover of the fields. I would just say the more access, the better," he said. "I would want to express the feeling of willingness to work together from the sports clubs. We all play team sports. Teamwork is important to us."

Editor's note: Andrew Sloat is the husband of Kings Park Patch editor Jennifer Sloat. 

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Parmato November 20, 2012 at 01:17 PM
I would hope that cool and calm heads will prevail to benefit the Soccer club as well as the University. It is imperative that a mutually beneficial agreement can be made. and it can...... if political agendas are put aside. We are talking about the future of our community from the small children who get their start in Pre-K to the University student who represents the State university system at Stonybrook. Lets use some basic common sense and reach an agreement!!!!
Upto Nogood November 20, 2012 at 01:29 PM
What a neighbor of convenience the University is making itself to be. First eminent domain proceedings against the business community followed by a record monetary judgement against them, followed by their own commercial expansion in the form of a power plant and now a hotel. It only makes sense that this Goliath would now start to bully the children of our community. What amazes me most is that they cherry pick the fields they "need." I remember years ago they gave the soccer club what-fer for even allowing elementary school kids to gaze upon the fields bordering Stonybrook Rd and now they are encouraging the club to expand there while they take the best fields on the lot! Simply amazing!
VOTP November 20, 2012 at 02:48 PM
The University needs to get a grip of itself and realize the harm they are doing to the community on many different levels. The students come to our area for 4 or 5 years and then leave. We are here all our lives and see the things our community has worked and PAID for (like the soccer field development) and the University has the audacity to demand they take fifty per cent of the space without batting an eyelid, yet still demanding the same rent and zero financial support for redevelopment of the rest of the park. The administration should feel embarrassed that they have allowed another PR disaster like this to happen. Hopefully they can do what is right for the CHILDREN of this area.
JJ Smith November 20, 2012 at 04:22 PM
How about we trade the use of the fields for the FREE fire protection the University gets. Yes, all our tax dollars fund their fire protection, they do not contribute a nickle.
justme November 20, 2012 at 07:48 PM
Neither do they pay school taxes, yet children of graduate students live on campus get a free ride in TVCSD courtesy of the taxpayers.
Kosta Siskidis November 20, 2012 at 10:11 PM
to see my concerns about the patch, go to my facebook page at, http://www.facebook.com/#!/kosta.siskidis
John Kelsch November 20, 2012 at 11:02 PM
My son no longer wants to play at Michigan State and be a SPARTAN, he wants to play for Stony Brook and be a SEAWOLF. Let's make this work!
lovemykids November 21, 2012 at 02:53 AM
Quality of life for their students? The University historically has not cared about anyone other then themselves. The Statesman has several articles that states just how the University has treated it's very own students over the years. Back on September 3, 1974 the Statesman reports in Volume 17, number 94, 900 freshman are triple 300 dormitory rooms designed for 2 person occupancy. On November 12, 1979, Volume 23, number 27 reads Tripling is expected to last throughout the school year. 25 years later on September 28, 2000, Volume 44 number 35 reads Three's a Crowd, Admins TRY to compensate triple students. I do believe the University kids need a place to play, so give it to them, you have enough space, you have the money and you have the man power to make their own Field of Dreams. Don't your students deserve that! Leave our community kids alone, they are entitled to their space too. It's not like when we were little and kids just got together after school and played ball together. Now, it's all organized sports, the 3VSC needs this space to instill a healthier life style, keeping kids out of trouble with sports and to reduce childhood obesity. Taking these fields and having to pay, yet again, to develop new ones will come down on the registration fees of all of these families. Their are over 1900 families in our club. This is not the time to be increasing fees.How is this a 'community partnership'?
Peter Schmitz November 21, 2012 at 04:21 AM
These fields have been nothing but a positive influence not only in our community but in all communities throughout the Island. Players from all over come to play on these fields and have always been a part of the family friendly atmosphere that the Three Village Soccer club has created. The University has to work in conjunction with our very loyal and dedicated soccer volunteers to create an agreement in which both parties can benefit. The current youth players need to experience the same opportunities as the players before them did. Not at a BIGGER price!!
angela chui November 21, 2012 at 01:41 PM
I can't see a major conflict in sharing the field. TVSC only uses on Sunday games and some practices in late afternoons or early evenings and a few teams practice in early Saturday mornings. The club only occupy the field whole field on Sundays. The university students can still have assess all other time. The university is being very self-focused by taking back the field. TVSC is non-profit. I greatly appreciate the volunteer board members, coaches and support members for all their dedicated time and love for the community! How can the university exile these young and enthusiastic players this way.
Family November 21, 2012 at 04:07 PM
Honestly, I say lets find another field. Let Stony Brook University find another way to fund the maintenance of those grounds. It will look just as wonderful as the great job they have done with the Seawolves Arena where renovations stopped for years due to lack of funding. We should be working together not against one another. Let Stony Brook maintain their own property and we will have to start again to build a bigger, better field somewhere were the volunteer efforts are appreciated.
LIMom November 22, 2012 at 01:31 AM
And where is the soccer club supposed to ... - 1 - Find space for new fields - 2 - Get the funds to develop the fields - 3 - Have a place for the kids to play for the season(s) or year(s) until the new fields are located and developed? The club (a non-profit, volunteer/community organization) has invested a considerable amount of money developing and maintaining the P-Lot fields at Stony Brook. (Remember: The University never gave the club fields to use -- it gave the community undeveloped space to turn into fields.) Additionally, the club/community has also been paying a considerable amount to use the space. (There's info on the finances on the TVSC Web site. Here's a link to info about the situation: http://www.stonybrooksoccer.com/dev/pages/news_detail.php?id=26) The killer is, if the club does agree to the currently offered permit, it would mean spending money to develop additional fields on top of paying the University a yearly increase in the hefty fees for the use of the space. And, there'd be nothing to stop the University from refusing to renew the permit in 5 years, once the club developed the additional space. Perhaps they're trying to create a new business model? Have someone do the work for you at their cost, plus have them pay you rent for the duration of the work and a brief period afterwards, so that the University can enjoy having the work done PLUS additional income?
3V is my home November 22, 2012 at 01:54 AM
I was just visited by 6-7 adorable little kids approaching me to sign there petition to save their fields. I asked the littlest one, who told me she was four, "Why do you want to play on these fields?" She told me, "We all want to play on these fields. I want to play like my big brother and big sister." Seeing happy little kids organizing a way to make a difference for themselves, their friends and their community, this is what our community is all about! These college kids are passionate for 4 years of college and then, they move on. We live here, we work here, we play here, I vote we stay here!!!
knowitall November 22, 2012 at 07:26 PM
State land. Funded by taxpayers. Soccer club leased and made improvements. But as with any lease you assume the risk. Sorry. If state needs the land. Soccer should go. The soccer club has an overinflated view of itself.
lovemykids November 25, 2012 at 03:45 PM
It is imperative that we have community and soccer club support at our meeting NOVEMBER 26, 7:30PM, WS MOUNT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AUDITORIUM however, if your and your family cannot attend, each of you can show your support by signing our petition at the following link: http://www.change.org/petitions/three-village-soccer-club-stop-stony-brook-university-from-taking-our-fields


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